Vocational Voices

14 May 2024

'Vocational Voices', the official podcast of the 鶹ý. Listen to leading experts discuss current trends in vocational education and training. Listen, follow and subscribe via your favourite podcast apps.

     
    S9 - Episode 1

    Facing Australia's transition to electric vehicles

    Steve Davis, Simon Walker, Rod Camm, Dr Gavin Lind, 13 May 2024 (37 mins)

    Australia is on the journey to reducing carbon emissions, so what does this mean for the automotive industry?

    Various sources indicate that electric vehicle and hybrid vehicle uptake is increasing in Australia, so this episode explores how the 鶹ýsector is preparing to meet the evolving demands of the automotive industry amongst critical skills shortages.

    Podcast host Steve Davis speaks to Simon Walker, NCVER Managing Director; Dr. Gavin Lind, CEO of the Mining and Automotive Skills Alliance; and Rod Camm, Group CEO of the Motor Trades Association in Queensland about what new strategies and collaborative efforts are required to make sure our workforce capabilities are up for the task and that our automotive industry can thrive in this era of electric vehicles.

    copy of the transcript for this episode is also available.

     
    S8 - Episode 6

    Best of 2023: highlights from Season 8

    Steve Davis, Simon Walker, Joanne Payne, Tabatha Griffin, Tom Karmel, Jenny Dodd, Hinemoa Priest, Melanie Kyle, Erica Smith, Olivija Komadina, David Longley, Christina Scott-Young, Michael Bassham, Joy de Leo, Michael Healy, Michelle Circelli, Angela Damm, Charmaine Marshall, Jeff Lynch, Tina Berghella, 29 November 2023 (85 mins)

    In 2023, we invited expert vocational voices from the 鶹ýsector to share their views, stories, experiences and insights on a range of hot topics.

    ‘Best of 2023’ is a roundup of the most interesting snippets and research findings from across the five podcast episodes we released during the year. Full of short and sharp insights from each of our guest speakers, we cover off some of the best bits of Season 8.

    A copy of the transcript for this episode is also available.

     
    S8 - Episode 5

    Building effective RTO-employer partnerships

    Steve Davis, Michelle Circelli, Angela Damm, Charmaine Marshall, Jeff Lynch, Tina Berghella, 20 September 2023 (41 mins)

    In this episode, we discuss the vital role of partnerships in the 鶹ýsector. These partnerships help connect training with the skills that industries need. Simultaneously, they build the capacity and resilience of both providers and employers.

    Our focus centres on four key elements that are fundamental to successful partnerships. We take a close look at these factors in a case study featuring The Management Edge and Murrumbidgee Local Health District. In this case study, we gain insights from the employer, the trainer, and the learner regarding the power of collaboration in delivering leadership training to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander health workers.

    This discussion draws from the research report Building effective RTO-employer partnerships and the accompanying Good Practice Guide, both of which were published on 20 September 2023.

    A copy of the transcript for this episode is also available.

     
    S8 - Episode 4

    鶹ýpathways to meaningful careers

    Steve Davis, Joy de Leo, Michael Healy, 22 August 2023 (33 mins)

    The concept of “meaningful work” is something that’s been regularly discussed by vocational education and training (VET) researchers for many years. But what does it mean and what are the pathways for achieving that end?

    Join NCVER's Dr Joy de Leo and Dr Michael Healy from myfuture as they explore the current labour market, the top occupations in demand in Australia, the implications of sound career advice for people seeking jobs, and how 鶹ýpathways can help lead to meaningful careers.

    A copy of the transcript for this episode is also available.

     
    S8 - Episode 3

    Skilling Australia's current and future workforce

    21 August 2023 (98 mins)

    Steve Davis interviews a collection of presenters from the 32nd National 鶹ýResearch Conference ‘No Frills’, held on 19-21 July 2023 in Melbourne.

    In the past few years, the 鶹ýsector has faced rapid socioeconomic, demographic and technological change. When unforeseen events such as COVID-19 emerged, the sector quickly adapted by upskilling workplaces, training organisations and 鶹ýtrainers in digital and remote work methods.

    Tune in to our podcast and listen to 鶹ýexperts share their insights and research. They will also delve into conversations about how the 鶹ýsector can continue to respond to skills demands during times of disruption and rapid change.

    TopicPresenterStart time
    Contextualisation of 鶹ýto pathway disadvantaged groups into employment Ms Hinemoa Priest, Te Pukenga trading as Whitireia and WelTec (Wellington University) 01:03
    Best practice blended learning for disadvantaged 鶹ýlearners Ms Melanie Kyle, RMIT University 12:29
    Training of 鶹ýteachers and trainers: an absence of governance? Prof Erica Smith, Federation University 28:17
    Artificial intelligence ChatGPT in 鶹ýeducation Mrs Olivija Komadina, TAFE Queensland 43:05
    Skilling for the green transition: reframing the role of Australia’s 鶹ýsystem for climate and environmental action Dr David Longley, Brotherhood of St Laurence 56:37
    Attracting more young women into apprenticeships: listening to their own voices A/Prof Christina Scott-Young, RMIT University 1:09:42
    Accelerating veteran pathways with 鶹ý Mr Michael Bassham, TAFE SA 1:27:41

    To view the full conference program and abstracts, please visit the No Frills conference page.

    A copy of the transcript for this episode is also available.

     
    S8 - Episode 2

    Reimagining the tertiary education system

    Steve Davis, Simon Walker, Tom Karmel, Jenny Dodd, 28 July 2023 (29 mins)

    Is the time right for change and “to be bold and think big, and challenge the way we think about tertiary education” in Australia?

    In this episode, we explore potential reforms to universities, their missions, and structures, while considering the role of VET. One perspective suggests establishing two types of universities: one focused on practical, hands-on learning for professional skills, and the other dedicated to research and comprehensive education.

    Tom Karmel argues that higher education is more than just theoretical knowledge—it's inherently vocational, preparing students for their chosen professions. He sees a lot of what the 鶹ýsector is teaching is generic skills which can be transferred to a wider range of jobs.

    Tom proposes the idea of a "professional university" that offers qualifications from certificates to degrees, focusing on practical education and strong connections to the job market.

    Jenny Dodd agrees with many of Tom’s ideas for creating a more integrated tertiary education system but raises concerns about the term "professional university."

    Simon Walker supports the need for an integrated model that allows students to build on their learning across various qualifications. He sees potential benefits in such a system, particularly in promoting equity and supporting disadvantaged students.

    A copy of the transcript for this episode is also available.

     
    S8 - Episode 1

    Overcoming 鶹ýdelivery challenges in regional Australia

    Steve Davis, Simon Walker, Joanne Payne, Tabatha Griffin, 10 May 2023 (29 mins)

    Making sure the 鶹ýsector serves regional, rural and remote Australia remains an ongoing policy priority.

    In this episode, we talk about the challenges that RTOs face when delivering training in regional Australia. What are the barriers and how are they being addressed?

    We also consider whether local training providers should be given more flexibility to tailor their programs to meet the specific needs of the communities they serve.

    Steve Davis interviews Joanne Payne, Managing Director, Central Regional TAFE in WA, Tabatha Griffin, Senior Research Officer, NCVER and Simon Walker, Managing Director, NCVER about these challenges and the need for diverse and flexible training approaches to better meet the needs of people in regional areas.

    The discussion draws from 鶹ýdelivery in regional, rural and remote Australia: barriers and facilitators, published by NCVER on 24 April 2023.

    A copy of the transcript for this episode is also available.

     
    S7 - Episode 5

    Best of 2022: highlights from Season 7

    Steve Davis, Peter Shergold AC, Simon Walker, Megan Lilly, Silvia Munoz, Ian White, Kira Clarke, Hugh Guthrie, Damian Oliver, Brian Rungie, Jenny Dodd, 20 January 2023 (62 mins)

    In 2022, we invited expert vocational voices from the 鶹ýsector to share their views, stories, experiences and insights on a range of hot topics.

    ‘Best of 2022’ is a roundup of the most interesting snippets and research findings from across the four podcast episodes we released during the year. Full of short and sharp insights from each of our guest speakers, we cover off some of the best bits of Season 7.

    A copy of the transcript for this episode is also available.

     
    S7 - Episode 4

    Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on VET

    Steve Davis, Simon Walker, Jenny Dodd, Brian Rungie, 14 December 2022 (40 mins)

    Aside from the health and economic impacts, the first two years of the COVID-19 pandemic significantly affected Australia’s 鶹ýsector. The full scale of these effects, however, has just started to emerge.

    In what ways did the first waves of the pandemic affect the 鶹ýworkforce – including trainers, resource developers and administrative staff? What changes and innovations happened? More importantly, what were the impacts on students and their practical learning, particularly those in industries with a high skills shortage?

    Steve Davis talks to Jenny Dodd, CEO, TAFE Directors Australia and Brian Rungie, CEO, PEER and Simon Walker, Managing Director, NCVER about the varying impacts of the pandemic, as well as the COVID-19 related opportunities and challenges being faced by Australia’s 鶹ýsector.

    The discussion partially draws from NCVER research in progress which will be published in early-mid 2023.

    A copy of the transcript for this episode is also available.

    S7 - Episode 3

    VET's role in transforming the future

    Steve Davis, 'No Frills' 2022 featured speakers, 8 August 2022 (43 mins)

    Steve Davis interviews a collection of presenters from three panel discussions at the 31st National 鶹ýResearch Conference ‘No Frills’ held on 6-8 July 2022.

    The conference theme was VET's role in transforming the future. Topics covered in the lively discussion include why business leaders are turning to education and training for the solutions; the future skill needs of service-based industries; upskilling and reskilling and the impact of COVID-19 on employers and their training choices; strengthening skills pathways to work for disadvantaged youth; quality 鶹ýdelivery; and 鶹ýcourse pathways.

    Speakers are Ms Megan Lilly, Australian Industry Group; Ms Silvia Munoz, SkillsIQ; Mr Ian White, 鶹ý; Ms Kira Clarke, Brotherhood of St Laurence; Mr Hugh Guthrie, Lusid Pty Ltd and Mr Damian Oliver, National Skills Commission.

    A copy of the transcript for this episode is also available.

     
    S7 - Episode 2

    鶹ýand higher education: should we push for integration?

    Steve Davis, Simon Walker, Megan Lilly, 6 June 2022 (30 mins)

    Both vocational education and training (VET) and higher education (HE) offer the skills, knowledge and qualifications needed to equip students to progress their career and lifelong learning.

    But given the difficulty and huge costs associated in integrating 鶹ýand HE, how do we harness the best of both sectors and maximise their benefits to students, employers and industry?

    Megan Lilly, Executive Director of Ai Group’s Centre for Education & Training and Simon Walker, Managing Director, NCVER talk to Steve Davis about why greater connectedness and fluidity between the sectors might be better than integration.

    The discussion draws from The best of both worlds? Integrating 鶹ýand higher education, published by NCVER on 25 November 2021.

    A copy of the transcript for this episode is also available.

     
    S7 - Episode 1

    鶹ýin Schools and the shadow of ATAR

    Steve Davis, Simon Walker, Professor Peter Shergold AC, 28 April 2022 (37 mins)

    Participation in higher education by school leavers has increased significantly in the last decade. 鶹ýparticipation has lagged by comparison. Are students headed for university accorded higher status at school than those who prefer to pursue a trade apprenticeship or traineeship?

    While the general outcomes for students who participate in 鶹ýin Schools is good, choosing the right 鶹ýcourse or 鶹ýpathway is critical, as some pathways are undoubtedly better than others in terms of employment outcomes.

    Professor Peter Shergold AC, who chaired a major review for Commonwealth, State and Territory Ministers of Education on senior secondary school pathways (), and Simon Walker, Managing Director, NCVER talk to Steve Davis about whether people are overestimating the impact of ATAR on a student’s future career prospects, and the proliferation of pathways that can be followed to find a future career.

    The discussion draws from 鶹ýfor secondary school students: insights and outcomes, published by NCVER on 14 October 2021.

    A copy of the transcript for this episode is also available.

     
    S6 - Episode 5

    Best of 2021: highlights from Season 6

    Steve Davis, Simon Walker, Linda Simon, Martin Powell, Kira Clarke, Joanne Waugh, Bryan Palmer, Professor John Buchanan, Megan Lilly, Dr Kaye Bowman, Michael Hartman, Dr Martha Kinsman, Professor Stephen Billett, 9 December 2021 (42 mins)

    In 2021, we invited expert vocational voices from the 鶹ýsector to share their views, stories, experiences and insights on a range of hot topics.

    ‘Best of 2021’ is a roundup of interesting snippets and research findings from across the four podcast episodes we released during the year. Full of short and sharp insights from each of our guest speakers, we cover off some of the best bits of Season 6.

    A copy of the transcript for this episode is also available.

     
    S6 - Episode 4

    Past informing the future

    Steve Davis, 'No Frills' 2021 featured speakers, 12 August 2021 (40 mins)

    Steve Davis interviews a collection of presenters from three panel discussions at the 30th National 鶹ýResearch Conference 'No Frills', held on 7-9 July 2021.

    Topics covered in the lively discussion include future-focused education and training delivered with, and in, industry; the 'futures' of work; understanding employers' training choices; and what is a 鶹ýsystem fit for the future?

    Speakers are Professor John Buchanan, The University of Sydney; Ms Megan Lilly, Australian Industry Group; Dr Kaye Bowman, Callan Consulting Group; Mr Michael Hartman, Skills Impact; Dr Martha Kinsman, Australian National University; and Professor Stephen Billett, Griffith University.

    A copy of the transcript for this episode is also available.

     
    S6 - Episode 3

    The role of micro-credentials in VET

    Steve Davis, Simon Walker, Bryan Palmer,  1 June 2021 (30 mins)

    Short-course training, often referred to as 'micro-credentials', is seen as an increasingly important form of training, particularly as governments respond to the social and economic effects of the COVID-19 pandemic.

    Steve Davis talks to Bryan Palmer, Private Consultant and author of An analysis of micro-credentials in VET, and Simon Walker, Managing Director, NCVER about the different interpretations and definitions of a micro-credential, why so many students pursue enrolments in subjects not part of a nationally recognised program, and why a majority of activity in this space is privately funded.

    The discussion largely draws from An analysis of micro-credentials in VET, published by NCVER on 3 June 2021.

    A copy of the transcript for this episode is also available.

     
    S6 - Episode 2

    VET's role in youth unemployment recovery

    Steve Davis, Simon Walker, Joanne Waugh, Kira Clarke, 13 May 2021 (32 mins)

    Youth unemployment post-COVID is an all-hands-on-deck challenge. For young people who have lost work or have been looking for work, post-COVID recovery is going to be a fraught time if Australia doesn't take a well-structured pathway to recovery.

    Join Steve Davis as he talks to Kira Clarke, Senior Research Fellow at the Brotherhood of St Laurence, Jo Waugh, Senior Research Officer, NCVER and Simon Walker, Managing Director, NCVER about the role the 鶹ýsector can and should play in the process. They discuss why vocational pathways in schools, work-based training, and career guidance are critical to youth employability, especially for disadvantaged people.

    The discussion refers to research What 鶹ýcan offer to COVID-19 youth unemployment recovery, published by NCVER on 13 May 2021.

    A copy of the transcript for this episode is also available.

     
    S6 - Episode 1

    Quality of 鶹ýteaching: perceptions and realities

    Steve Davis, Simon Walker, Linda Simon, Martin Powell, 16 March 2021 (32 mins)

    Should we be concerned about the quality of 鶹ýteaching? Recent research suggests there are key issues affecting the quality of 鶹ýteaching that need to be addressed. These include entry level requirements, limited career pathways, workforce casualisation, and lack of support for professional development.

    Steve Davis talks to NCVER Managing Director, Simon Walker, Educationalist and Researcher, Linda Simon and 鶹ýDevelopment Centre CEO, Martin Powell about what helps build capability and quality in 鶹ýteaching.

    A copy of the transcript for this episode is also available.

     
    S5 - Episode 5

    Best of 2020: highlights from Seasons 4 & 5

    Steve Davis, Simon Walker, Dr Tabatha Griffin, Suzi Kuti, Bridget Wibrow, Michelle Circelli, Ian Curry, Dr Peter Hurley, Professor John Buchanan, David Morgan, Jenny Lambert, Robin Shreeve, Craig Robertson, David Redway, Professor Erica Smith 16 December 2020 (53 mins)

    In 2020, we invited expert vocational voices from the 鶹ýsector to share their views, stories, experiences and insights on a range of hot topics.

    ‘Best of 2020’ is a roundup of interesting snippets and research findings from across the eight podcast episodes we released during the year. Full of short and sharp insights from each of our guest speakers, we cover off some of the best bits of Seasons 4 and 5.

    A copy of the transcript for this episode is also available.

     
    S5 - Episode 4

    Rationalising 鶹ýqualifications: support for a clustered model

    Steve Davis, Simon Walker, Prof John Buchanan, David Morgan 2 December 2020 (31 mins)

    Are there too many underutilised qualifications in the Australian 鶹ýsystem? Are some qualifications past their expiration date?

    One method of reducing qualifications involves grouping them into vocational clusters so individuals can train for several jobs at once. This approach also creates greater transferability of skills in the labour market.

    Do we have the appetite for such transformative change? Is there a role for good quality training that may sit outside the formal national training system?

    Steve Davis talks to Professor John Buchanan, Business School, University of Sydney, David Morgan, CEO, Artibus Innovation and Simon Walker, Managing Director, NCVER about the notion of ‘clustering’ qualifications into vocational streams for a range of occupations and how it could be achieved.

    A copy of the transcript for this episode is also available.

     
    S5 - Episode 3

    Investing in our workforce: cadetships vs apprenticeships

    Steve Davis, Simon Walker, Dr Peter Hurley, Ian Curry 17 November 2020 (30 mins)

    Young people are finding it harder and harder to get a foothold into those highly-skilled, better paying jobs that will set them up for the future.

    How can we increase the number of jobs available, and provide better pathways into jobs and industries that have been increasingly out of reach?

    Join Steve Davis as he talks to Simon Walker, NCVER Managing Director; Dr Peter Hurley, Education Policy Fellow at Mitchell Institute, Victoria University; and Ian Curry, National Coordinator - Skills, Training & Apprenticeships at the Australian Manufacturing Workers' Union (AMWU) about:

    • The concepts of cadetships, higher apprenticeships, and work-ready skills
    • What are the merits of a national cadet program for those jobs more often associated with diploma or bachelor degree qualifications? Will it lead to better employment outcomes for young people?
    • Do employers expect too much of new recruits in terms of skill sets?
    • Do we focus too much on training for the skills employers want, rather than creating more broadly-skilled people?

    A copy of the transcript for this episode is also available.

     
    S5 - Episode 2

    Traditional trade apprenticeships: still a trusted brand?

    Steve Davis, Simon Walker, Ian Curry 3 November 2020 (28 mins)

    Do we value tertiary and vocational education equally? Have apprenticeships lost their sense of purpose?

    With recent budget announcements and the need to build a skilled workforce to meet the challenges of a rapidly changing economy, apprenticeships are in the spotlight. Steve Davis talks to NCVER Managing Director, Simon Walker and Australian Manufacturing Workers' Union (AMWU) National Coordinator – Skills, Training & Apprenticeships, Ian Curry, about the future of traditional trades and how the perception of apprenticeships has changed over the years.

    Discussion focuses on regulation, flexibility, completion rates as well as the complexity around the status of VET.

    A copy of the transcript for this episode is also available.

     
    S5 - Episode 1

    Workforce ready: challenges and opportunities for VET

    12 August 2020 (31 mins)

    Steve Davis interviews a collection of presenters from two panel discussions at the 29th National 鶹ýResearch Conference 'No Frills', held on 7-10 July 2020.

    Topics covered in the lively discussion include new directions in skills planning, digital technology and the role it plays in aged and community care, insights from the Longitudinal Surveys of Australian Youth (LSAY), and the role of parental influence in taking on an apprenticeship.

    Speakers are Professor John Buchanan, The University of Sydney; Ms Anne Livingstone and Dr George Margelis, Australian Aged Care Industry Information Technology Council; Mr David Redway, Australian Government Department of Education, Skills and Employment; and Professor Erica Smith, Federation University.

    A copy of the transcript for this episode is also available.

     
    S4 - Episode 4

    VET's response to Industry 4.0 and the digital economy: what works

    Steve Davis, Suzi Kuti, Michelle Circelli, Bridget Wibrow 28 May 2020 (34 mins)

    Digital skills are now essential for almost all occupations and workers in Australia. So how do we best incorporate them into 鶹ýcourses? And how do we make sure our 鶹ýeducators have the digital skills they need?

    Join Steve Davis as he talks to Suzi Kuti, Head of Organisation Development and Learning at Metro Trains Sydney, and NCVER researchers Michelle Circelli and Bridget Wibrow about what teaching digital skills means for 鶹ýeducators. They also discuss the integration of digital skills into 鶹ýdelivery and why digital skills should become a key component of foundation skills.

    This discussion refers to two good practice guides, Incorporating digital skills into 鶹ýdelivery and Teaching digital skills: implications for 鶹ýeducators published by NCVER on 10 June 2020.

    A copy of the transcript for this episode is also available.

     
    S4 - Episode 3

    The future role of public providers

    Steve Davis, Simon Walker, Robin Shreeve, Craig Robertson 29 April 2020 (30 mins)

    Thirty years ago, the Australian 鶹ýsystem was on tenterhooks as two major reports were released into the management and costs of training for enterprises against a backdrop of award restructuring that was being championed at the time by the government. How do the projections and goals in these reports compare to the reality facing TAFE today?

    How has TAFE embraced fee-for-service and are there myths and assumptions surrounding the size of the fee-for-service market and its efficacy or otherwise?

    Steve Davis talks to NCVER Managing Director Simon Walker, Robin Shreeve, Adjunct Professor at Federation University and President AVETRA, and Craig Robertson, CEO TAFE Directors Australia about the next evolutionary stage in fee-for-service in the 鶹ýsector.

    A copy of the transcript for this episode is also available.

     
    S4 - Episode 2

    Skill sets: their role now and into the future

    Steve Davis, Simon Walker, Jenny Lambert 15 April 2020 (30 mins)

    Are skill sets likely to take on extra significance as Australia responds to the shifting workforce demands and challenges, particularly in the health sector during the COVID-19 pandemic?

    Looking ahead, can skill sets or micro-credentials play a role in getting vital competencies into the workplace so the economy can rebuild?

    To find out, Steve Davis talks to NCVER Managing Director Simon Walker and Jenny Lambert, Director Employment, Education & Training at the Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry. They start by defining what skill sets and micro-credentials actually are and the role they currently play in the 鶹ýsystem.

    A copy of the transcript for this episode is also available.

     
    S4 - Episode 1

    Online VET: a good course of action?

    Steve Davis, Simon Walker, Dr Tabatha Griffin 26 February 2020 (24 mins)

    Online learning can be just as effective as face-to-face instruction if it’s done well. But what makes for good quality and good practice?

    While subject withdrawal rates are higher and course completion rates lower for 鶹ýcourses delivered entirely online, new research has shown that the outcomes for those students who do complete online courses are similar to those of other delivery modes.

    Steve Davis talks to NCVER Managing Director Simon Walker and NCVER Senior Researcher Dr Tabatha Griffin about how online 鶹ýcourses are being delivered, the outcomes for those who complete them, and why students may withdraw or not complete.

    A copy of the transcript for this episode is also available.

     
    S3 - Episode 3

    Qualification design for the future of VET

    Steve Davis, Simon Walker, Peter Noonan 11 November 2019 (27 mins)

    Qualifications are an essential part of the 鶹ýsystem, and therefore a key consideration in the broader approach to 鶹ýsector reform.

    Join special guest Peter Noonan, Professor of Tertiary Education at Victoria University and Expert Panel Chair of the recent AQF Review, as he talks with Steve Davis and Simon Walker, Managing Director NCVER about the recently released Review of the Australian Qualifications Framework Final Report 2019.

    Discussion focuses on micro-credentials, identifying general capabilities, the Pathways Policy, and the proposed new qualification types or classification of 鶹ýqualifications.

    A copy of the transcript for this episode is also available.

     
    S3 - Episode 2

    Youth pathways: from school to work and everything between

    Steve Davis, Simon Walker, Will Stubley 23 October 2019 (30 mins)

    New research has revealed how young people’s post-school pathways are diverse, individualised and complex. Steve Davis, Simon Walker Managing Director NCVER, and William Stubley CEO and Co-founder Year13, discuss if the reliance on ATAR, the Australian Tertiary Admission Rank, as our lens for evaluating educational achievements is too narrowly focused, and if so, what are some of the options for broadening our approach to understanding post-school pathways?

    A copy of the transcript for this episode is also available.

     
    S3 - Episode 1

    Training packages: meeting student needs?

    Steve Davis, Simon Walker, Craig Robertson 8 October 2019 (30 mins)

    Competency based training (CBT) is the model of curriculum at the heart of the 鶹ýsystem and for some it’s a shorthand way of referring to the system of 鶹ýtraining packages, but critics are arguing that the 鶹ýsector’s reliance upon training packages is failing to meet the real-world needs of students and industry due to how they define and therefore teach competency. Steve Davis discusses this topic with NCVER Managing Director Simon Walker and TAFE Directors Australia CEO Craig Robertson.

    copy of the transcript for this episode is also available.

     
    S2 - Episode 4

    Unaccredited training and why employers use it

    Steve Davis, Simon Walker, Ian White 27 August 2019 (22 mins)

    Why do around half of Australian employers look outside the nationally accredited 鶹ýsystem to provide their employees with training? To find out, Steve Davis talks to NCVER Managing Director Simon Walker and NCVER researcher Ian White, who discuss the reasons why employers choose unaccredited over accredited training, and whether it meets their skills needs.

    A copy of the transcript for this episode is also available.

     
    S2 - Episode 3

    The student journey: skilling for life

    14 August 2019 (80 mins)

    Steve Davis interviews a collection of presenters from the 28th National 鶹ýResearch Conference ‘No Frills’, held on 10-12 July 2019 in Adelaide.

    While every student's journey is different, more and more research and discussion underlines the importance of workers becoming lifelong learners so they can grow and evolve with their jobs. And more than ever before, Australia relies on the 鶹ýsector to play a critical role in making this happen. Hear from a variety of 鶹ýexperts about their ideas and research as they discuss how Australia can tackle the many challenges of the changing world of work.

    A copy of the transcript for this episode is also available.

     
    TopicPresenter Start time
    Employability skills in entry level roles in STEM-rich and care/support industries Kate Perkins, Australian Council for Educational Research

    01.41

    Life skills for a digital future Mori Hajizadeh & Kevin O’Leary, Australian Industry Standards 13:00
    Student outcomes in aged care and cookery Melinda Brown, Skills IQ 27:57
    When is a worker truly competent? Training and assessment Michael Hartman, Skills Impact 38:21
    RPL: difficulties & mitigating strategies Deb Carr, Think About Learning and Helen Smith, RMIT Consultant & CDU University Fellow 52:09
    How can educators better support students with psychological-based individual differences? Cameron Williams, Black Dog Institute 01:03:38
    Student choice in a contestable market Don Zoellner, Charles Darwin University 01:13:43

    To view the full conference program and abstracts, please visit Past events.

     
    S2 - Episode 2

    Apprenticeship rates - should you believe the hype?

    Steve Davis, Simon Walker, Ben Bardon 30 July 2019 (31 mins)

    It is hard to dispute that the apprenticeships model, which combines employment with formal training in a trade, is an effective way of developing skills while still earning a wage. So why do apprenticeship numbers appear to be so dire? To find out, Steve Davis talks to NCVER Managing Director, Simon Walker and National Australian Apprenticeships Association Chief Executive Officer, Ben Bardon, who reveal that the situation is more nuanced than recent media headlines might suggest. They start by discussing the difference between apprenticeships and traineeships, which can skew the perceived decline.

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    S2 - Episode 1

    Industry 4.0 - what does it mean for jobs and skills?

    Steve Davis, Simon Walker and Megan Lilly 16 July 2019 (30 mins)

    How will Industry 4.0, or the Fourth Industrial Revolution as it’s also known, affect the jobs we do and how we train for them? To find out, Steve Davis talks to NCVER Managing Director, Simon Walker and AiGroup Head of Workforce Development, Megan Lilly. The challenge, they say, is to develop an agile skill base that can continually learn and grow, which means traditional education systems will also need to evolve.

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    S1 - Episode 12

    What next for tertiary education? Some preliminary sketches

    Steve Davis, Francesca Beddie 25 August 2014 (13 mins)

    In this interview, Steve Davis talks with author Francesca Beddie about her paper, What next for tertiary education? Some preliminary sketches, which presents the culmination of the ideas discussed between prominent tertiary education thinkers who came together to reflect on the Committee on the Future of Tertiary Education report (the Martin report). These ideas are intended to generate discussion on the possibilities for the future of tertiary education in Australia. She emphasises the importance of going beyond the funding debate, to talking more broadly about how we should be educating our citizens in the 21st century.

    copy of the transcript for this episode is also available.

     
    S1 - Episode 11     

    Industry currency and professional obsolescence: what can industry tell us?

    Steve Davis, Berwyn Clayton 21 June 2013 (13 mins)

    In this interview, Steve Davis talks with co-author Berwyn Clayton about the report. The purpose of the study is to take an industry focused approach to investigating the issues of professional obsolescence and industry currency and how they apply to 鶹ýpractitioners. Issues covered included, the importance of industry currency for practitioners training and assessing in the 鶹ýsector; strategies used by employers to keep trades people current with new technology and changing ways of working in various industry sectors; and strategies used by leading edge organisations to keep people up to speed with new knowledge and skills.

    copy of the transcript for this episode is also available.

     
    S1 - Episode 10

    The impact of schools on young people's transition to university

    Steve Davis, Tom Karmel 24 April 2013 (10 mins)

    In this interview, Steve Davis talks with co-author Tom Karmel about this report which uses data from the 2006 cohort of the Longitudinal Surveys of Australian Youth (LSAY) to investigate how schools influence tertiary entrance rank and university enrolment over and above young people's individual background characteristics. A point of discussion was the authors' finding that schools do matter and although young people's individual characteristics are the main contributors to university entrance, the school characteristics are responsible for almost 20% of the variation in tertiary entrance rankings.

    copy of the transcript for this episode is also available.

     
    S1 - Episode 9

    Educating oneself out of social exclusion

    Steve Davis, Hielke Buddelmeyer 2 November 2012 (10 mins)

    In this phone interview, Hielke Buddelmeyer, talks about his report which explores the impact of education and training on social exclusion using a multidimensional measure that focuses on seven domains. Education, he says, is a 'sleeper factor' in that it operates on many different levels and has an impact on the other six domains, such as health. Hielke also points out that the current focus on human capital, including social inclusion, follows previous market reforms that have been implemented to position Australia in changing economic times.

    copy of the transcript for this episode is also available.

     
    S1 - Episode 8

    Shaken not stirred? The development of one tertiary education sector in Australia

    Steve Davis, Leesa Wheelahan 17 January 2012 (13 mins)

    In this interview, Steve Davis talks with Leesa Wheelahan about the report Shaken not stirred? The development of one tertiary education sector in Australia. This report examines universities that offer a small amount of 鶹ýand private providers that offer both 鶹ýand higher education, building on previous research examining TAFE intitutes that offer higher education.

    This research suggests that mixed-sector and dual-sector providers are likely to become more important but they face specific challenges in the quality of their provision. While the sharp distinctions between 鶹ýand higher education are giving way to a more differentiated single tertiary education sector this is resulting in a more stratified and hierarchical structure as university providers become the 'comparator'.

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    S1 - Episode 7

    Attrition in the trades

    Steve Davis, Tom Karmel 18 November 2011 (9 mins)

    In this interview, Steve Davis talks with Tom Karmel about the report Attrition in the trades. This report investigates attrition in the trades by comparing the rate at which tradespeople leave their occupation with that of professionals. It also determines whether attrition is influenced by economic conditions, and if a trade can provide a good start to a career in the professions. The report concludes that attrition in the trades is no higher than in the professions; the rate of leaving particular occupations may vary, but overall the results between the two are very similar. The economic climate also makes little difference to the attrition rate.

    copy of the transcript for this episode is also available.

     
    S1 - Episode 6

    Outcomes from combining work and tertiary study

    Steve Davis, Cain Polidano 2 June 2011 (9 mins)

    In this interview, Steve Davis talks with researcher Cain Polidano about the report Outcomes from combining work and tertiary study. This study investigates the motivations for and the education and employment outcomes from working while studying for both 鶹ýand higher education students. While, in general, tertiary students who work while studying are less likely to complete than those who do not, being employed in the final year of study significantly improves the chances of finding full time employment in the first year following study.

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    S1 - Episode 5

    Developing the child care workforce: understanding 'fight' or 'flight' amongst workers

    Steve Davis, Tanya Bretherton 29 July 2010 (15 mins)

    In this interview, Steve Davis talks with researcher Tanya Bretherton about her report Developing the child care workforce: Understanding 'fight' or 'flight' amongst workers. The early childhood education and care sector in Australia has long been characterised by low-skill/low-pay jobs. The current policy environment, however, may offer scope for the sector to move towards a path of skill growth. This report, based on case studies of four early childhood education and care providers, investigates how innovative employers are overcoming challenges in the sector to improve workforce development.

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    S1 - Episode 4

    The role of vocational education and training in the labour market outcomes of people with disabilities

    Steve Davis, Cain Polidano 23 March 2010 (11 mins)

    In this interview, Steve Davis talks with researcher Cain Polidano about his report on the Role of vocational education and training in the labour market outcomes of people with disabilities. Low levels of education generally among people with a disability is one of the factors contributing to their lower rate of labour market participation. What role vocational education and training (VET) plays in ameliorating this is the focus of this report. Using data from the Household, Income and Labour Dynamics of Australia surveys, the report finds that for people who are not working, completing a 鶹ýqualification does increase the chance of employment and more so for people with a disability.

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    S1 - Episode 3

    Apprenticeships and traineeships in the downturn

    Steve Davis, Tom Karmel 17 November 2009 (10 mins)

    In this interview, Steve Davis talks with Tom Karmel about his report Apprenticeships and traineeships in the downturn. Apprenticeships have a very long history in Australia, building on the traditions of the medieval guilds. The essence of the apprenticeship is the contract of training--a legal contract between an individual, an employer and a training provider. The defining characteristic is the combination of employment and training. The purpose of this paper is to describe what we know about apprenticeships and traineeships, with a view to assessing the likely impact of the current economic downturn on them.

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    S1 - Episode 2

    Cultural dimensions of Indigenous participation in education and training

    Steve Davis, Michael Dockery 4 November 2009 (14 mins)

    In this interview, Steve Davis talks with researcher Michael Dockery about his report, Cultural dimensions of Indigenous participation in education and training. This study provides an important innovation to the existing literature by explicitly attempting to measure 'cultural attachment' and its relationship with post-compulsory education and training.

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    S1 - Episode 1

    Is 鶹ývocational?

    Steve Davis, Tom Karmel 29 July 2008 (7 mins)

    In this interview Steve Davis talks with Tom Karmel about his report Is 鶹ývocational?, which explores the issue of how vocational education and training (VET) is actually used in the labour market and in particular the match between what graduates study and the jobs they get.

    copy of the transcript for this episode is also available.